User talk:LTPHarry

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We look forward to editing with you, so pull down your restraint and enjoy the ride! Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 19:29, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

London Trocadero

I had never heard of the London Trocadero before. Thanks for your help in adding the page! Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 20:28, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome! The only issue with adding it is the scarce information about the rides the venue did have other than the ones I have listed. I may make a page about SegaWorld London but Sega Retro (another wiki) already has a well-written and well-sourced page about the attraction and the rides that Sega has produced in-house. LTPHarry (talk) 20:37, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I can't get the "reply" button to work at my end now. If you experience this, you can still reply just by editing the page (either in visual or source mode) and adding your info below.

Regarding scarce info, this is okay, we don't aim to be complete as such so just fill in what you have (and cite/note on the talk page where you got the info from).

Let me know if you would like help with anything and I'll try my best, or you can speak to folks on the Discord channel. Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 21:13, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Neither can I. At the moment I'm doing some pages about several hotels in Turkey that have "Lunaparks" or alternatives. LTPHarry (talk) 21:57, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Turkey hotels

Hello Harry, you don't happen to have photos of these rides at Turkish hotels by any chance? Just in case you hadn't realised, you can upload your own photos if you like and add them to our articles. Thanks for your help so far! Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 23:01, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunely I don’t have any photos, but I do have some video footage I took inside the Belek Sueno hotel when I went on holiday there in 2015. Maybe this might solve that question of one of the flat rides I can’t remember the name of. None of the rides there have official names to begin with, just generic ones so I went with names based on theming/signs, etc. LTPHarry (talk) 23:15, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps, I wonder if taking screenshots of it would work too? Up to yourself. I was having a look online myself and haven't found much except TripAdvisor and other travel sites and their photos are very hard to link to. I dind't see any names either. In this circumstance we usually just use a generic name (Dodgems, Ferris Wheel, etc) Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 23:26, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Okay then. The quality may not be up to standards as it's video quality and not camera quality, but i'll post an example of such as a test. LTPHarry (talk) 23:44, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the footage I have is way too shaky. To be honest, if I ever returned to that hotel I would likely do a more professional video of it and take proper pictures. LTPHarry (talk) 00:10, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

That's a shame, thanks for checking anyway! Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 12:27, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Even then, I'm currently on focusing on locating any information about the London Trocadero and the rides they had other than the Breakdance during the 2000-2002 Funland era. I did end up finding some more images of the Breakdance they had on Stevie Geek's Facebook page (in addition to its Hayling Island stint) and the "London's Scream Ride" version of the Drop but still nothing else more. LTPHarry (talk) 23:10, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Flying Planes

Hello! Regarding the Clarence Pier article, do you know where the Flying Planes went and who owns it now? Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 10:23, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I do believe it’s Brighton Palace Pier, as I stated in my edit summary for the pier yesterday (and the fact that the ride looks identical to the Clarence Pier version) but I really don’t know mainly due to the different colour schemes. BPP have an image for the ride on their social media pages. LTPHarry (talk) 13:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Hmmm admittedly I'm a little bit lost. For the Samba Balloon ride it seems likely that it's a relocation of the Clarence Pier one though what throws me off is the rusty blue fence on the Brighton Pier one whereas the Clarence Pier one had red fencing. I tought it was funny they photoshopped blue skies into their photo! Haha. Still puzzled with the Flying Planes ride though Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 23:14, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

I think the only way we'll know is if someone contacted Brighton Palace Pier or Clarence Pier and asked about the ride. On the topic of the pier, who even owns the Flying Dumbos nowadays? LTPHarry (talk) 23:38, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Hmm I don't know - Jason might know but I'm guessing he doesn't as he hasn't updated the page! Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 18:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Nice pictures

Thanks for adding them! Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 16:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

My intention for taking them was to add them here, alongside the two Clarence Pier ones as there hadn’t been any uploaded yet.

I did take two of Pirate at South Parade, but they’re not very good so I never uploaded them. LTPHarry (talk) 17:01, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Your call, but unless they're really terrible, they'll be fine Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 17:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Both of them are ground-view images, I could upload them if you wish but once again, i'm not that impressed with them. LTPHarry (talk) 19:07, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Sources

Hello again! Apologies for all the messages lately - thanks for clearing out those simulator links. The articles you've added lately look good, but can you please add whatever sources you use - even if it's the Sega wiki or similar. If you don't have a source you can link stick a message on the talk page or edit summary to say where you got the info from. Thanks 👍 Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 19:35, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Alrighty then. I did start a talk page post on the Ghost Pirates page in regards to the attraction possibly being different to what Sega Retro claims, but I don’t know if you or the other admins of Coasterpedia are really knowledgable on these kind of attractions and a severe lack of information surrounding them.

Oh, and the Bike-Athlon page hasn’t been deleted yet. I was thinking about maybe starting a talk page post about large arcade-type attractions at these kind of venues but from what we all said prior you don’t count those kinds of attractions as rides. LTPHarry (talk) 19:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that, when I'm at my computer next I'll look properly. Been editing from my phone lately.

On the arcade attractions, I think you're best to ask QDude as he's more into dark rides. He does work on "Dark Ride Database" after all 😃 Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 22:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Alrighty, I’ll send him a message about it when I can. LTPHarry (talk) 22:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

I've sent him the message about it. I'm gonna work on the Umeda Joypolis page now, as it's the only Joypolis park I have not done a page for yet. LTPHarry (talk) 23:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good! Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 18:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Sent him the message, haven’t got a response back yet. I’ve also finished the Umeda Joypolis page. LTPHarry (talk) 18:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Bike Athlon

Pasting this here for safekeeping as I'll delete hte page:-

Is this a ride?

I appreciate the work that has gone into this, but my gut feeling is this is a specialist arcade machine and not really a ride. I've seen similar things before with motorbikes that tilt for steering. Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 18:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@LTPHarry I think this and some of the other pages you have made are going beyond the intended scope of the wiki. I'm trying to start a conversation with other editors regarding Simulator and Walk-Through type rides as it seems we are inconsistent on these. Are you on the Discord? Often questions like this get raised there and I don't want you to miss out. Thanks Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 12:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I don’t use Discord. Essentially, Sega calls some of their attractions like that one as such even if they don’t match traditional amusement park rides and feel more like arcade games. Yes, there are some attractions that are like flat rides or roller coasters. There is a website called Sega Retro that does describe all of their rides in detail but I wouldn’t know for sure if a majority of them (mainly the 3D walk-throughs) even apply for this wiki. Obviously play areas and laser tag attractions doesn’t count for this wiki but then comes most of the walk-throughs and motion simulators. Yeah, I think we might need some help with that.

Another issue goes towards research as I had to use the old Joypolis websites to get information for some of the attractions as Sega Retro didn’t list anything about them. Bike-Athlon does have information, but regardless this is what Tokyo Joypolis' old website mentions about it (translated from Japanese, of course)

'Bikeathlon' is an attraction where you can experience a downhill race from the top of a small island in the Mediterranean Sea to a dock on two-seater mountain bikes. Players board a bicycle-type ride and work together to advance through a difficult course full of peaks and valleys. The image on the front monitor and the movement of the air-powered mountain bike are linked to create a more realistic thrill and sense of speed as you ride through the jumps and rough roads on the course. The ride is a 4-unit communication system, and on the course with various tricks, the key to victory or defeat is the teamwork of two people, rather than physical strength. Also, since it is a bicycle for two people, it is possible to have an exciting race between couples, making it a super healthy attraction that is perfect for groups.

But yeah, hope this hasn’t caused any problems along the road. LTPHarry (talk) 13:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

No worries - there hasn't been much conversation (if any) on the public Discord about the Sega rides and I will make sure to let you know if there is anything being discussed over there and share it with you. One editor did message me about the Sega arcades asking if we ought to host these on the wiki. It's a tricky one as we already have some walk-through and motion simulator rides on here. If you ask me, neither are rides, but I want to have a consistent approach and not push my opinion on everyone else...

Ideally all conversation would be on-wiki but I find it tricky to get people talking on here - it seems everyone prefers the Discord format! Watch this space... no problems at all the only thing is I wouldn't want you to pour too much time into these rides if we do end up removing them. I can always archive them somewhere on the wiki out of the mainspace so they will still be visible, just not part of the "mainspace".

Watch this space! Thanks Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 14:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

So essentially for now, the attractions that are more like rides or coasters are fine for the wiki but the simulators should be held off for now.

So I can guess simulator-like rides such as Ghost Hunters and Lost Cemetery are safe because they are similar to those of traditional rides (Lost Cemetery is a tracked simulator that appears to go around in a loop while Ghost Hunters is a Ghost Train with 3D projections), and obviously the roller coasters are what they are. LTPHarry (talk) 14:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh, another thing, should I leave the pages as is for now until decisions can be fully made? LTPHarry (talk) 14:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@LTPHarryI think anything tracked is probably okay. It's the smaller ones that are arcade machines that I don't think should be included. Walk-throughs are okay, though I don't think we have any definition for one as of writing. Tagging @QDude24 as he probably feels more strongly about these sorts of attractions. Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 15:44, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

The other change I think should be made would be to remove Sega as a "manufacturer" as I believe they didn't build anything from scratch, rather, they modified existing rides. So the "designer" parameter is probably more appropriate for them. Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 16:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hope that helps - I think what would be best is if you could please add some more sourcing to the existing articles. Then we can expand. Thanks Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 16:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Alrighty. As I previously stated much of what there is to offer from Sega's attractions aren’t documented online outside of the Sega Retro website. Here's a list of select attractions and what I could classify them as:

• AS-1 - Motion Simulator showcasing a ride film, akin to most simulator attractions of it's type
• VR-1 - Motion Simulator that has guests wearing VR headsets, playing a rail shooter game with scripted events
• Virtua Formula - Simply a larger version of the arcade game Virtua Racing. This one I wouldn't say counts for this site.
• Bad Bazooka - Bumper Cars attraction with shooting elements.
• Ghost Hunters - Ghost Train attraction with shooting elements and projections.
• R-360 - Arcade cabinet that can rotate and go 360 degrees. I could say this doesn't count for the site either.
• The Lost World: Jurassic Park Special - An expanded version of the arcade game set in a large full-motion theater. There are similar expanded versions of Sega arcade shooters, like The House of the Dead 4 Special which are set in full-motion theaters as well. I could guess this doesn't count for the wiki.
• Boat Race GP - This is pretty much Bike Athlon but set within a boat, so I doubt this counts.
• Storm-G - Same as above.

This isn't every attraction, but I would say there needs to be a grander discussion about the categories Joypolis attractions would go in. To add on, the Chinese Joypolis parks have more flat-style rides (and of course, a Roller Coaster) so those wouldn't be an issue. LTPHarry (talk) 17:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I also edit for the Dark Ride Database where we also lists simulator's under our show rides tab. There are of course many types of simulators and I do think we need to diversify when it comes to them. But for now here are a few rules drdb follows; Arcade games don't count, VR simulators don't count (though this would be discusable to coasterpedia).

When it comes to walkthroughs, the rules on Coasterpedia are currently as follows; It needs to have a separate entrance and exit. We don't have any other rules for them currently, though we might need to make those QDude24 (talk) 21:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Funnily enough, I was able to ask about that site! But still, maybe similar rules could apply here as well when it comes to attractions at large indoor venues. Because to give out a difference, an attraction like Ghost Hunters is tracked and functions like a ghost train ride, while an attraction like Virtua Formula is a modified arcade cabinet which cannot be classified as a traditional park ride. LTPHarry (talk) 22:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Okey-dokey - I may start deleting some of these ones that are definitely not rides. Would you like me to store the pages somewhere? Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 23:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I don’t know really, Any choices?

Also, once again, Sega Retro is the place to get information about the rides so you could decide what counts as a flat ride and what doesn’t. Even then I only made a page about this ride and I think a few others. Most of the information is on the Joypolis and Sega Arena pages (on this wiki) anyway and about 90% of that is red links. You’re fine to edit those pages as well. LTPHarry (talk) 00:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 18:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)