User talk:TheLion Lancelot

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We look forward to editing with you, so pull down your restraint and enjoy the ride! QDude24 (talk) 18:14, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Six Flags Fiesta Texas

Hi @TheLion Lancelot,

Thanks for your edits on Six Flags Fiesta Texas, but I had to revert them. For starters; we have a line of coasters and ride types to follow, there was no need to change these. Please refrain from doing that in the future.

Thanks, QDude24 (talk) 18:15, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Shouldn't the ride types and descriptions be accurate though? For example - S&S does not consider their 4th dimensional coasters or their 4th dimensional free spin clones to be wing coasters as the patent of a wing coaster implies a fixed position of seating, also many manufacturers don't call their coasters by their seating arrangements but by their designated track model and/or designated target population (i.e. Family, Kiddie, Spinning, LSM Launch, LIM Launch, LIM Launch Spaghetti Bowl, Hydraulic Launch, Stratta, Dive, Giga, Hyper, Terraine, Shuttle, Boomerang, Hurricane, iBox, Raptor, T-Rex, Hybrid, etc. etc. etc.)

As it so happens I actually spent 13 years with the company at a few different parks; 2 years as a team member, 8 years as a lead (primary duty being training others on the safe and efficient methods of operating/attending rides as well as ensuring their knowledge of the technical & historical aspects of the rides), 2 years as a rides sup, 1 year in HR. That being said - shouldn't an informational website dedicated to coasters and theme parks be accurate with it's context? TheLion Lancelot (talk) 18:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

You are right, we focus on accuracies. So an S&S freespin is a wing coaster, since it has seats next to the track. All the tables for coasters have small and quick 'types' to inform people what kind of coaster/ride it is. Whatever the manufacturer calls it will be mentioned on the ride and product pages.

So no, we won't change this. The unverfied bragging about however long you worked in the industry doesn't make us go "oh he is is right let's change the entire wiki. And it, frankly, doesn't make you come across as a likeable person.

Hope this helps! QDude24 (talk) 19:51, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

So basically this falls under a similar debatable topic like the discussion of changing the term inverted.

Inverted Coasters vrs. Suspended coasters. Suspended coasters ride under the track, but are able to rock side to side to some degree, Inverted coasters also ride under the track, but are incapable of the rocking motion.

Similarly;

Wing Coasters are fixed in place, arrow/S&S have never classified their fourth dimensional coaster as a wing coaster nor do they classify the fourth dimensional free spin as a wing coaster, as the seats are designed in both models to rotate in a full 360 degrees which is beyond the capability of a wing coaster and any 'wing' in flight, that's elementary.

Whilst I realize it is quite easy to misconstrue the written word of another due to fact that we can't hear the intended inflection of the other, that is not a legitimate nor logical reason to make the assumption that I am bragging about my time as a trainer - my intended inflection was simply to point out that after training a couple thousand people about the ins and outs of ride specs, ride history, related vocabulary and terminology - I'm not just a rando who signed up because I like to ride rides. I signed up because I love the industry, and teaching/training is what I do. I would have thought that this community with a shared love of coasters would be more like the industry in regards to how sharing knowledge gained through experience is a welcomed exchange, I also would have thought that people in the community would have the integrity to be respectful with their interactions - however in a single message you instead chose to blatantly insult me - while I understand it's easy to misinterpret the written word, to antagonize and insult someone simply because you disagreed with their knowledge is a rather poor method of debate. 👌 TheLion Lancelot (talk) 21:41, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

We don't act as if S&S calls their coaster "wing" we simply use types to group coasters under certain aspects in order to generate categories to be able to search up coasters with similair aspects. Again, we don't ignore what manufacturers call their products, but we have seperate pages for that to the page that you edited.

The suspended and inverted coaster discussion is something we are still working on, I personally feel like we should scrap one of the two, and just call everything suspended, and give the ones that also rock side to side the "rocking cars" type since that makes for more accurate categories. And again, its not about what the manufacturers themselves say in the "types". Take for example the Intamin Hot Racer, which they call a Single Rail coaster, which it isn't since it features two round rails. We thus don't list them as single rails.

Furthermore, I never insulted you. I said you didn't come across as a likeable person, but I didn't say that you weren't a likeable person. I don't know you personally, you don't know me either. I am sorry if it came across as insulting. QDude24 (talk) 22:15, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Thank you for your contributions to the website, we really do appreciate anyone who is willing to spend their time helping us build this wiki! We don’t ever want anyone with good intentions to not feel welcome, just sometimes members of our community can be a bit over-passionate as this is a project many people have spent countless hours working on, so hopefully you can understand why people can get a bit upset when someone new comes in and tries to change things without discussion.

Hopefully you decide to stick around and help building (what we hope to be) the best resource on the internet for coasters and flat rides, and if you do the best place to start bringing about change would be to discuss it on our discord (link on the main page). You can also read up on our current coaster categorisation system at Coasterpedia:Guide to coaster types Alex (talk) 11:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)