Coasterpedia:Go-Karts

Following discussion on the Discord channel there is a proposal to remove Go-Karts rides from the wiki. Our position has previously been "may be included if they are within an amusement park". This would see 42 articles deleted and I will try to incorporate references on those pages into other articles on the website. As always please share your thoughts below! Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 15:05, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

This sounds like an odd choice; I would like to know the reason for the removal. Is it simply that most go-kart pages have minimal content? SillySquirrellllll (talk) 13:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello @SillySquirrellllll it came about as someone raised the question of whether we count go-karts or not. They have fallen into a grey area where we've added them when they're in amusement parks but not when standalone (you see go-karts for example at race tracks or as standalone attractions). Descoping them eliminates this question and there are also questions around whether they are enough of a "ride" to fit in. My personal opinion is they stray too far from what most people would consider a ride as they are fully driver-controlled and self-contained. Dodgems are on the edge but they do have a defined track that is integral to the ride and are also transportable. Hope that makes sense! We don't have a specific definition for what a "ride" is, but you can see a list at Coasterpedia:Guide to ride types. Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 20:26, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

I’m not sure about this one, it’s very difficult to put everything together. Sure, Go-Karts are in the RCT titles… LTPHarry (talk) 13:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

So are hedge mazes 😉 What are you not sure about? Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 14:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Mazes are more like walk-throughs than anything. And then there’s the Mirror Maze in RCT3… I could simply say we could keep go-karts? But even then, driving school attractions aren’t counted for on this wiki. LTPHarry (talk) 14:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Go-karts are still a tracked ride, such as a dark ride or antique cars. Why would we remove go-karts but keep those? GeorgeGaming (talk) 23:18, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

From my perspective, they don't have a specific path to stick to like most tracked/dark rides. They are also fully user-controlled. Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 11:14, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

I personally think they're fine as long as they are in the park/FEC. As long as we still count Skycoasters as rides, then it is no different with go-karts. SFGAM-Enthusiast (talk) 03:34, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Hmm - sky coasters are pushing it a bit too I think but they do feel like more of a ride to me. Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 13:35, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Has this conversation progressed on the Discord? SFGAM-Enthusiast (talk) 03:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't think they should remove Go-Karts. If A Go-Karts needs their own line, their own operaters, their own safety features, & has their own track, I think they are it's own ride. If LogRide, or other ride-tracking apps that track non-coasters count Go-Karts as rides, then I think Go-Karts is a ride as well. What about walk-through attractions, those are not rides, so if they are attractions, so are Go-Karts BeetopiaLeader (talk) 22:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

What seperates this from a playground slide?

I do agree, i think go-karts are more of a ride than many things covered on the wiki, such as Funhouses (+Jolly Tubes, Cakewalks) and slides (Giant Slides, Helter-Skelters, Tube Slides), and as you mentioned, walk-throughs. CoasterDave (talk) 23:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

My main issue is that theres no clear definition of what you would count as an "amusement park", is a Family Entertainment Center, Mini Golf Course, Water Park, or Arcade that has other rides count as an amusement park? what if the center doesn't have any other rides, except maybe bumper boats, which aren't included either.

I'd mostly be for removing them just to removed the subjectiveness of them being allowed.

Would go-karts be counted here??? CoasterDave (talk) 23:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Appreciate it doesn't fully answer your question but in that case I'd say yes as the "Vomatron" is definitely a ride. Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 10:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

So is the slingshot QDude24 (talk) 10:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

If thats the case, than the wording on Coasterpedia:Guide to ride types could say "Go-Karts (at locations without another acompanying coaster/ride/slide)".

That would set a clear definition. CoasterDave (talk) 02:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes they are confusing but i think removing them entirely is unnecessary. That would detract from the completeness of the wiki. Of course to make it "complete" we could just say screw it go karts count no matter what. The obvious impracticality is there are probably tens of thousands of go karts worldwide. I think the current criteria is just fine. SillySquirrellllll (talk) 18:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Well the issue is there isn't really a criteria right now, again, as far as most editors know, they aren't even allowed, and there is subjectivity to what an "amusement park" is, so there needs to be a clear standard on what counts and what doesn't.

For go karts to count does it need to be at a park with at least 2 rides? can the go karts be one of those two rides, or does it need to have 2 "normal" rides to count anyway? from what i've seen, amusement park pages should only exist for locations with 2 or more rides. CoasterDave (talk) 01:57, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Having at least one other attraction that is unambiguously a "ride" seems like a good criteria.

There is no requirement for an "amusement park" to have more than one ride (we have an article for Nürburgring and probably many others that only have one ride). That being said I don't see a lot of benefit in articles on race tracks, hotels, etc that only have one ride. Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 15:15, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

If there are no objections I will close this one with no change for now and the understanding that a "park" needs to have at least one other ride that is unambigously a coaster, ride (according to Coasterpedia:Guide to ride types), or water slide (according to Coasterpedia:Guide to water slides) Lachlan (Talk | contribs) 15:17, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that Go-Karts should be removed. Look at bumper cars. They are also trackless rides that you control and drive around. Should they be removed, too? LochNessLegend (talk) 14:11, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

No, even as different as they are they are widely considered as much of a ride as a Ferris wheel or swinging ship. Go-karts are the same story. SillySquirrellllll (talk) 16:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Wow, This is history, ONE of the most famous rides of all time being removed. 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 Prayers be let in you, Go karts.